Post-MST Games

[MartinVanBuren]

If you don't want to play, you have the option of not playing.

If what you are fighting over is the fact that you were forced to forfeit and take a loss on 2 games in the entirety of the season, then you have far greater issues.

i love summer league.....even when it hurts.....do not take my games away from me because you don;t want to play.

hey what is yetsko's take on this whole thing?

[Biz_Markie]

If you don't want to play, you have the option of not playing.

If what you are fighting over is the fact that you were forced to forfeit and take a loss on 2 games in the entirety of the season, then you have far greater issues.

i love summer league.....even when it hurts.....do not take my games away from me because you don;t want to play.

hey what is yetsko's take on this whole thing?

The prez has spoken.

[MartinVanBuren]

she is the prez and you should be giving her beer and carrying her cooler for the amount of crap she has to deal with year round.

i am just the commish for summer, which is comparatively easy, i get 8 months off.

it's all written down someplace, on a napkin or something.

[jlee]

This seems like a discussion for an SC Meeting sometime in the future.

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nope, not at all.

[Blackburn]

Everyone's acting like it's either pickup or regular league night, and it's getting pointed out repeatedly - it doesn't have to be one or the other. In the late 90s, we did exactly what Jenny Lee was suggesting - pickup, making up rainouts, or having grudge matches.

Someone tell me the negatives of what I mentioned before: teams put in on Sunday if they want to play games on Tuesday, commish does a random draw of games. Teams that don't want to play don't have to and won't suffer for it. Players whose teams opt not to play could be offered the chance to pick up with the teams who are playing, subject to captains' approval, just to make sure that numbers are good. Is that really so horrible?


And, again, we went more than ten years without having official games the Tuesday after MST. (I can't remember off-hand what year we did away with them, but I think it was either 1995 or 1996, if we even had them then.) I heard someone say it was because of Monday games, but it happened before that.

[jlee]

It actually resumed again at some point, depending on the dates and commissioner.

It also depends the day of July 4th.

Lynch stopped doing it two years ago.

[Blackburn]

Lynch stopped doing it two years ago.

I think I wrote that badly on the first try, but I think we're saying the same thing - as I remember it, we didn't have official games the Tuesday after MST from something like 1997 through 2008. (I did a spot-check of 2000 and 2001 the other night via the archives.)

[MartinVanBuren]

Everyone's acting like it's either pickup or regular league night, and I've pointed out repeatedly - it doesn't have to be one or the other. In the late 90s, we did exactly what Jenny Lee was suggesting - pickup, making up rainouts, or having grudge matches.

Someone tell me the negatives of what I mentioned before: teams put in on Sunday if they want to play games on Tuesday, commish does a random draw of actual games. Teams that don't want to play don't have to and won't suffer for it. Players whose teams opt not to play could be offered the chance to pick up with the teams who are playing, subject to captains' approval, just to make sure that numbers are good. Is that really so horrible?


And, again, we went more than ten years without having official games the Tuesday after MST. (I can't remember off-hand what year we did away with them, but I think it was either 1995 or 1996, if we even had them then.) I heard someone say it was because of Monday games, but it happened before that.

17 teams want to play, "i had to play BigTuna 3 times this season cause of this", " i know i told you that we were going to play/not play, but now my team has changed our mind and now we want to not play/play."

the only thing i want to do sunday night after mst is crush some wendys and sleep for 15 hours. making a schedule that gives EAOC 2 easy wins is far too complex for a time like that.

i think it is ok as it is. if you don;t want to play, do not play. if you want to play, and you can get your game in, it's going to be way better then pickup. if your opponent doesn;t want to play, then you get pickup, not ideal but still something. i don't think anyone freaked out that they only got one game. it really is a non issue i think. teams have to forfeit at various times for various reasons. its not a big deal.

i wouldn;t doubt that some people don;t want to play tonight, and are still hurting from mst. summer league is a marathon of fun. so much so it hurts sometimes.......but it's the good pain and i am ok with it.

[jlee]

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[wilsonmarcus]

I had this thought back when there were only two pages, and sort of surprised it wasn't mentioned. Then again, Pete could have said anything and I would have missed it in his rather lengthy retorts.

I don't feel the problem is with Tuesday games after MST, I feel it is with MST. 7 games in two days is a lot for casual competitors. Maybe MST needs to be trimmed down. Maybe the top 16 teams play in one bracket, the bottom 16 play in another. One day tournament, four games max. Sunday is off, play again Tuesday. I don't think Tuesday off after MST is really going to help heal the wear and tear 7 games did to my knees, joints, etc. Make the end of the season tournament a long one, where there are weeks until the next league, but why so many games in a condensed time frame in the middle of a long (and incredibly hot) season. I love summer league and love my team, but I am not someone who is used to traveling to tournaments and I feel a few people (won't say majority or Pete will be all up in my business) are in the same boat. A few meaning three or more. I might be able to find three or more just on my team. Can I report back tonight after I talk to them so I verify my claim and so it is actually scientific?

marcus

[johnPowerman]

No marcus. There is to be nothing scientific going on here. This is a forum, on the internet. Science is not allowed.

I like the MST setup. How else could lefties have won the B bracket with their low seed?

Stop tying to take my ultimate away!

I'm still waiting for someone to disallow my posts because I never move faster than a slow jog on the ultimate field

[ChrisArbaugh]

I'm still curious on how a team who forfeits counts it as rainout? And you can't say everyone on that team wanted to forfeit.. It was a decision majority made by a captain.. And I'm sure the opposing teams really couldn't argue against you forfeiting. So why is it a rainout? They should be wins for anyone they "canceled" their games against.

[MartinVanBuren]

I'm still curious on how a team who forfeits counts it as rainout? And you can't say everyone on that team wanted to forfeit.. It was a decision majority made by a captain.. And I'm sure the opposing teams really couldn't argue against you forfeiting. So why is it a rainout? They should be wins for anyone they "canceled" their games against.

both captains agreed to it.

[Boezi]

This seems like a discussion for an SC Meeting sometime in the future.

disagree

[nicemlt]

rainouts are when two captains agree to not play.

it happens sometimes.

if your captain doesn't communicate that with you there is a thread they need to read.