Post-MST Games

[peteholiday]

the majority of us . . . want to play league games.

I don't think you really have the data to make this statement with the amount of authority you are.

This thread already has enough people assuming everyone shares their opinion of how things went or how things should be, claiming that a majority of people wanted to play league games just because the games were played is pretty silly.

[dkendall]

Maybe this will work...

My team was short on people all tournament, and the same short on people on Tuesday, but they didn't show up because they felt like they had to, we were there because we wanted to play some meaningful ultimate, no matter how tired we might have been.

That's mighty spirity of you. So did most of the league.

[Knish]

the majority of us . . . want to play league games.

I don't think you really have the data to make this statement with the amount of authority you are.

This thread already has enough people assuming everyone shares their opinion of how things went or how things should be, claiming that a majority of people wanted to play league games just because the games were played is pretty silly.

True, I have not run a scientific survey to determine the exact number of people who wanted to play league games. And I'm pretty sure this won't make it past a judge in a court of law. But I'm a reasonable person who can make reasonable assumptions in order to reach reasonable conclusions.

One can reasonably assume that teams who wanted to play league games made the trip to play.
One can reasonably assume that teams who did not want to play either forfeited or agreed to a rain out.

In reviewing game results, there are 5 teams who either forfeited or have rainouts.
I'm not a mathematician, but if I do some basic subtraction, that's 27 teams who had enough players to play games. (Aaron can confirm if my math is correct--I may need to do this in Excel to be sure).

Therefore, I can reasonably conclude that the majority or people had enough desire to play Summer League.

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Ok, I admit that's a little harsh and I'm mostly just joking around (or am I). But come on--27 teams played. It's not even close.

[Blackburn]

the summer league regular season is a marathon......its a commitment to get out there 20 nights.....some are not as easy as others......but if you want to win the regular season title, you will find a way to get 7 on the line for every game.....

Or you get the other teams you're scheduled to play to agree to not play. (For the record, I'm absolutely fine with teams agreeing to calling those games rainouts.)

Have there ever been pre-arranged mutually-agreed rainouts, much less four on the same night?

so people would rather take a forfeited game and not play than play scheduled pickup with a guaranteed game? what am i missing from this equation?

You're missing that the majority of us were able to field teams and want to play league games. You're offering a false choice.

But which "majority" was that? The majority of teams who had enough to play, or the overwhelming majority of Summer League players who didn't show up to play on Tuesday?

Dan, what about your own team? Why were you shorthanded?

I'm not worried about the 5%ers who will play anywhere, anytime, wherever there's a game. I'm worried about the high percentage of folks who decided that they weren't able to play. And I'm worried about the people who didn't want to play, but showed up because they felt obligated to.

At the end, it's Lynch's decision, and I'm fine with that. But I think the message being sent right now is that the league cares less about player health and safety and more about simply playing games.

There are enough creative minds in this league that we should be able to come up with a non-pickup solution that gives people who want to play some Ultimate the opportunity to do so.

[spamwater]

Can someone give me the clifs notes on the problem? Is frito forfeiting the rest of the season and playing pickup? Are we playing on Monday nights now? Two decades ago when hale was the commish we didn't have this problem. What gifs?

Oh look a butterfly!

[Blackburn]

Therefore, I can reasonably conclude that the majority or people had enough desire to play Summer League.

You're assuming that all of the teams who played had 11 players on average (half their team), plus enough to cover the absence of the 110 players on the 5 teams who bailed. (I'll throw you the few players on those 5 teams that did want to play despite the team decision.)

Essentially: there needed to be an average of a little over 13 per team on Tuesday to say that a majority of SL players were playing. I may be wrong, but it doesn't sound like that happened.

[MartinVanBuren]

the summer league regular season is a marathon......its a commitment to get out there 20 nights.....some are not as easy as others......but if you want to win the regular season title, you will find a way to get 7 on the line for every game.....

Or you get the other teams you're scheduled to play to agree to not play. (For the record, I'm absolutely fine with teams agreeing to calling those games rainouts.)

Have there ever been pre-arranged mutually-agreed rainouts, much less four on the same night?

so people would rather take a forfeited game and not play than play scheduled pickup with a guaranteed game? what am i missing from this equation?

You're missing that the majority of us were able to field teams and want to play league games. You're offering a false choice.

But which "majority" was that? The majority of teams who had enough to play, or the overwhelming majority of Summer League players who didn't show up to play on Tuesday?

Dan, what about your own team? Why were you shorthanded?

I'm not worried about the 5%ers who will play anywhere, anytime, wherever there's a game. I'm worried about the high percentage of folks who decided that they weren't able to play. And I'm worried about the people who didn't want to play, but showed up because they felt obligated to.

At the end, it's Lynch's decision, and I'm fine with that. But I think the message being sent right now is that the league cares less about player health and safety and more about simply playing games.

There are enough creative minds in this league that we should be able to come up with a non-pickup
solution that gives people who want to play some Ultimate the opportunity to do so.

false cheese!

if you don;t want to play. don't play. no one is forcing you. if your opponent is in the same boat, you can call it a rainout. if not, its a forfeit.

i think enough people want to play that it is worthwhile to have scheduled games. if our opponent doesn;t show up, take the forfeit and play pickup.

really......whats the big deal? why can't we play games if possible?

i heart summer league, even when it hurts.

[Knish]

Dan, what about your own team? Why were you shorthanded?

Bunch of people are out of town for work or had other commitments. A couple were too worn out from the weekend and they let me know ahead of time. Those of us who showed were certainly tired from the weekend and kudos to our ladies who played savage in the heat and humidity. I'm not saying we played the hardest we could or played epic games--but we ran around, played decent quality ultimate and generally had a good time. Certainly better quality than pick-up even with short numbers.

[peteholiday]

Ok, I admit that's a little harsh and I'm mostly just joking around (or am I). But come on--27 teams played. It's not even close.

You're right about one thing: it's not even close.

27 teams at 7 people per team (the number required to play) is not even in the ballpark of a "majority" of summer leaguers. (and this is making the previously refuted assumption that everyone who showed up to play actually did so because they wanted to and not out of a sense of obligation)

Hell, it's probably not even a "majority" of an average night's attendance, let alone the "majority" of the league on whose behalf you were purporting to speak.

In your rush to be clever, it appears that you forgot how to math.

Which is not to say that I think a majority of the league didn't want to play, but there's really not any serious evidence in support of the notion that a majority of the league wanted to play last night, so rather than appealing to popular (or not-so-popular) opinion, maybe we should just stick to facts and reason. And animated gifs.

[MartinVanBuren]

Ok, I admit that's a little harsh and I'm mostly just joking around (or am I). But come on--27 teams played. It's not even close.

You're right about one thing: it's not even close.

27 teams at 7 people per team (the number required to play) is not even in the ballpark of a "majority" of summer leaguers.

Hell, it's probably not even a "majority" of an average night's attendance, let alone the "majority" of the league on whose behalf you were purporting to speak.

In your rush to be clever, it appears that you forgot how to math.

Which is not to say that I think a majority of the league didn't want to play, but there's really not any serious evidence in support of the notion that a majority of the league wanted to play last night, so rather than appealing to popular (or not-so-popular) opinion, maybe we should just stick to facts and reason. And animated gifs.

pete- we had 10 players that night. please adjust your figures.

frito- i think we should call tonight's game a rainout. people are still sore. benwater is still limping.

[Schmidtc]

I think we had 12+, the number was too many to keep track of.

[poole]

you can take my summer league games away from me when you pry them from my cold dead hand.

Don't take his games from him...look how happy he is.




PS - Lynch, you should hold your games with two hands. You've got that other one for sweet pancake catches, clearly.

[johnPowerman]

I don't see why this continues to be such a big deal.

If you are too tired to play. Don't play.

[paul]

maybe we should just stick to facts and reason.

People on the internet haven't for years. Why should we start now?

If you are too tired to play. Don't play.

Should they show up to drink and heckle?

[Schmidtc]

Who photoshopped a disc in there?

This is what he was actually catching and why he was so damn happy: