Excellent Photographry Ned, and a Rules Question

[gill]

Ned, not only do your photos not make it look like the savage one-sided beating that it was, but you perfectly captured the moment about which I have a question.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1 ... 01&l=fb1c4

So on this throw the disc was clearly away, and I was (what I considered to be) fouled, pretty early on it my follow-through.

I was throwing to the left side of the field/blindly throwing it as far as I could anyway, so it went pretty far. Ricky even complimented me on making such a great throw while being fouled.

The foul was contested, and the argument was, it was out of my hand and therefore didn't affect the throw. At least I think this was the argument. I might be that it was out of my hand AND it didn't affect the throw.

When I actually looked up the rule later, it said incidental contact in the follow-through should be avoided, but is NOT a foul.

My question is, is non-incidental contact in your follow-through considered a foul? or does the fact that it was in your follow-through make it incidental?

Thoughts?

Gill

PS Ewald, I owe you an ass-whipping either way.

[brainwater]

Yes it was an one-sided beating!

[Flo]

Hi Gill,

look at II.H:
Incidental contact: Contact between opposing players that does not affect continued play.

So in your case it was incidental, so no foul.

There are odd situations where the contact on the follow through is non-incidental. Example: Follow through into chest knocks over marker, preventing him to play d on the give-and-go. Then it would be a foul on the thrower stopping play. But the foul did not affect *the* play (the first throw). So the pass would stand, marker can get back up, check and continue.

Flo.

[evil]

Flo,
Can you call dangerous play if someone puts themselves in a position that will clearly cause contact on a follow through? Ie, someone sticks their foot out and your hand hits it on the follow through. The reason I ask is that if I see someone's foot coming up near my hand as I'm about to release, it will cause me to alter my release to try and avoid contact, even if it is after the throw. While the contact may not affect continued play, it did affect my throw.

Does that make sense?

[brainwater]

or hand. The reason I turn it over is because I think the markers hand always in the way. Isn't that dangerous play?

[Flo]

Hi Wood,

in principle, what you would be calling is the sticking the foot out (=dangerous play), not the contact itself. The dangerous play occurred before the release and did affect the throw, so yes, you would get the disc back after you turfed it.
[little semantic side note: dangerous play is treated as a foul but does not need to be a foul itself]

But, all this said, I'd say in most cases it is highly debatable if sticking a foot out in a place where you would only hit it on your follow through (and not before the release) should be considered reckless/dangerous. Last time I checked, controlled foot blocks were still legal.

Flo.